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– [[Uzanto:Algentem|Al]] ([[Uzanto Debato:Algentem|diskuto]]) 19:35, 6 jan. 2017 (UTC)
 
== teknologiali ==
Saluto,
 
Regretas se vu ne bone lektas Angliana; tamen me ne bone skribas Ido.
 
I'm creating a resource to collect information and programs to help people learn Ido; it's located here: https://github.com/brytonhall/ido. I'm still new to Ido and I'd very much appreciate input from others.
 
I pulled the data used for translations and definitions from this Wiktionary site. However, it was really poorly formatted and difficult to work with; it's mostly for this reason I don't think Wiktionary is a good program to use (since having data that a machine cannot parse really limits the ability to create other programs around it). So I'm currently trying to determine the best (easy to maintain and update, takes up little space/bandwidth, etc.) method to store that data; this is where I could really use your Ido and general lexicographic knowledge!
 
The data was (and still is) quite mangled from rearranging it but I can polish it a bit after figuring out what format to put it in (the definitions are currently available here: https://ido.bryton.io/vortaro/, and the translations here: https://ido.bryton.io/tradukuro.csv). Once the format is finalized, I'll add that data to the Github link above where anyone can edit it.
 
I'm hoping to help bring Ido into the 21st century but I could really use someone who understands language well enough to compliment my programming abilities. Let me know what you think about how to improve and spread knowledge of Ido! And feel free to email me if you prefer, I doubt I'll stick around Wiktionary very much since I'm not (yet?) convinced it's the best path forward.
 
[[Uzanto:Brytonhall|Brytonhall]] ([[Uzanto Debato:Brytonhall|diskuto]]) 07:28, 28 nov. 2017 (UTC)
 
:Hey
 
:Thank you for contacting us (or me). Now you must enjoy my English.
 
:First of all, I am quite busy with my job (for earning my living) and this hobby with Ido and other activities. You may make spesific questions here about Ido but I feel that I do not have spare time for participating your valuable project. I can occasionally visit your project. Does this arrangement suit you? At this phase I do not comprehend all the nuances of your project.
 
:My time zone is UTC+2. If you live America, do not expect rapid answers.
 
:One question still: Why you can't use direct links to this dictionary instead of copying all the contents in different formulation. Here the contents of the pages can change and new pages are created. Do you think that you can follow all the development which happens here?
 
:There are quite a lot of material already in the Internet about Ido, too. You can find them for your benefit. And on the other hand, there are different forums in the Internet for discussing Idists. In my opinion, the most serious Idists are in the Yahoo-lists. You can easily join the groups and participate. But if you use there English, I recommend you begin with big excuse.
 
:Bests --[[Uzanto:Artomo|Arto]] ([[Uzanto Debato:Artomo|diskuto]]) 10:25, 28 nov. 2017 (UTC)
 
Thanks for your reply; there's no need for rapid answers -- you're free to reply when and if you want! And your English is quite good, I appreciate you humoring me (I'm learning Ido but, you know . . . in my spare time).
 
I'm certainly not expecting you to devote any substantial amount (or any amount, if you're not interested) of time to what I'm doing. I only mean to spread the word about the project's existence in order to have people use it and get their feedback early on. Since I don't know Ido very well, I could *especially* use feedback from users who do know Ido. I haven't documented everything completely so don't feel bad if there's something you don't understand.
 
So -- I don't think that Wiktionary is the best method to store data. It makes it difficult to use that data in other programs (thereby limiting the spread and appeal of Ido). Furthermore, the data set on Wiktionary is very, very (unnecessarily) large (making it difficult for people to download an "offline" version if they don't have regular/fast internet access) and the structure of the results page is rigid and overcomplicated (for example, _I_ don't care what the Finnish translations are because I don't speak Finnish; so there's no point in having them clutter the results when I'm looking up a word).
 
But no, I do not intend to follow all of the development on Wiktionary, I think that would be a pointless struggle. Instead, I hope to make something better than Wiktionary; something that you (or anyone else) would _rather_ use. Along those lines, the sort of feedback I'm looking for is: What do you think Wiktionary could do better?
 
I did find some information about Ido online but most of it seemed out of date or incomplete and clustered (but perhaps I haven't looked hard enough!). I'll definitely check out the other websites with Idists though, the more the merrier.
 
[[Uzanto:Brytonhall|Brytonhall]] ([[Uzanto Debato:Brytonhall|diskuto]]) 23:53, 28 nov. 2017 (UTC)
 
:::Hello, Do you know [https://wiki.wesnoth.org/WesnothTranslations the battle for wesnoth]? [[Uzanto:Fafnir|Fafnir]] ([[Uzanto Debato:Fafnir|diskuto]]) 23:57, 28 nov. 2017 (UTC)
 
:To Brytonhall: Ok. I am occasionally usable for your project. You can ask for my opinion now and then. About Wiktionary: In my view the best part in Wikivortaro is that one's learning of Ido do not depend on knowing English. When there is material enough, one can learn Ido through one's mother tongue.
:To Fafnir: Interesting but not my thing, sorry. --[[Uzanto:Artomo|Arto]] ([[Uzanto Debato:Artomo|diskuto]]) 07:09, 29 nov. 2017 (UTC)
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